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      and nanotechnology. As the author of over 1350   years between your first publication on angiogenesis
      articles; the inventor on over 1,100 U.S. and foreign   and the approval of the first cancer drug based on
      patents; and the mastermind behind over 30 compa-  your work?
      nies, Langer’s innovation output calls for an adjective   Langer: I would say that [the idea of grit as a key
      beyond prolific. As if his own work weren’t impressive   to success] is true. I think that’s exactly right what
      enough, his accolades are legion. He is the recipient of   she said. And, as to what kind of traits [allowed me
      over 220 prestigious awards, including the National   to persevere], I guess that would be stubbornness, a
      Medal of Science, the National Medal of Technology   strong belief in wanting to do good for the world, and
      and Innovation, the Charles Stark Draper Prize, the   perseverance, things like that. That’s a very good ques-
      Millennium Prize, the Kyoto Prize, and the Queen   tion; people have asked that before, and I don’t really
      Elizabeth Prize for Engineering. He is also one of the   know 100%. But, I think it’s those kinds of things.
      select group who has been elected to the U.S. National
      Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine and   T&I: Where does that strong core of self-belief come
      elected a fellow of the National Academy of Inventors,   from?
      the American Association for the Advancement of   Langer: Well, I don’t know if it’s a strong core of
      Science, and the American Academy of Arts and   self-belief. I mean there are lots of times that I’ve
      Sciences.                                     had a lot of doubts. You know, I think most things
        Langer’s work is inveterately transdisciplinary,   come from your family. I mean my mom and dad.
      leveraging the fundamentals of materials science   My mom was the type of person who was very nice
      to create advanced biotechnological products and   and helped people, and my dad got me interested
      applications. A large part of that work has centered   in more intellectual stuff, like he’d play math games
      on drug delivery systems, where Langer has engi-  with me. They got me these Gilbert chemistry sets
      neered polymers that allow drugs to be delivered at   and gifts like that.
      controlled rates for specific and often prolonged time
      spans. These advances offer the potential for better   T&I: When you consider that time gap from your and
      treatment of disease, advances in gene therapy, and   Judah Folkman’s discovery of the first angiogenesis
      improved vaccines among other areas. In addition,   inhibitor (1976) to the first angiogenesis inhibitor
      Langer’s lab has been active in the field of artificial   being approved by the FDA (2004), 28 years is a long
      tissue and organs, investigating the use of polymers   time.
      for improved tissue engineering.              Langer: Well, it is, but medicine takes a long time.
        Dr. Langer graciously agreed to an interview with   There have been longer times for people to go from
      T&I, discussing his most recent work and weighing   discovery to FDA approval, but that’s a long time, I
      in on various topics, including the symbiotic relation-  agree.
      ship between universities and companies in the tech   T&I: You read Outliers, a book analyzing exceptional
      transfer arena, the importance of teaching students to
      ask good questions as well as give good answers, and   performers by Malcolm Gladwell. Do you see yourself
                                                    as an outlier?
      the ongoing motivation that impels him to excellence.
                                                    Langer: Probably I am in different ways. I think that’s
      INTERVIEW                                     probably right. All of these people you are talking to
      T&I: In her recent book Grit, Angela Duckworth, a   [NAI Fellows] are outliers in different ways.
      psychology professor at U Penn, suggests that “grit”—a   T&I: You have been and remain a leader in invention
      combination of resilience to failure and sustained   and translational technology and a champion for
      passion for your core interests—is key to success.   companies and the role they play in getting technol-
      To what extent do you think this is true in your case,   ogy to consumers. As someone who was involved in
      especially given the early years of your career when   academic start-ups before they were in vogue, what
      your scientific work was not well received? What   do you see as being the ideal relationship between
      kind of traits allowed you to persevere during the 28   universities and start-up companies? What roles do
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