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government officials, law enforcement, and         manipulate energy every time you plug in a

               the  churches  where  we’re  sent  in  to  write   hair dryer or vacuum cleaner. Who’s to say
               up  a  preliminary  report  on  demonic            that,  when  we  pass  on,  our  energy  isn’t
               hauntings or possessions.                          manipulated into something else?

               When  it  comes  to  possessions,  99.9%  have     Bruce: So that’s a yes?
               nothing to  with  being  possessed.  It’s  more
                                                                  Jason:  Yes,  but  over  80%  of  them  can  be
               under-medicated,     over-medicated,    self-
                                                                  disproved.  There  are  different  types  of
               medicated,  or  super  religious  individuals.
                                                                  hauntings that don’t involve ghosts. Would
               Some of the scariest things I’ve experienced
                                                                  you  like  me  to  explain  it  to  you  very
               were the 0.1% where people are speaking a
                                                                  quickly?
               language  that  hasn’t  been  spoken  in  a
               thousand years, or moving objects that are         Bruce: Absolutely.
               far beyond their ability to move.
                                                                  Jason: When it comes down to human-type
               Being  in  the  room,  when  a  true  exorcism     haunts, you have intelligent – which is like
               takes  place,  can  be  a  terrifying  experience.   if  you  and  I  passed  on  and  tried  to
               It’s  very  rare.  Also,  dealing  with  some      communicate; then there’s residual – which
               occult type cases. When we work with law           is  energy  from  a  traumatic  experience
               enforcement on occult cases, you might not         trapped within an object in a home.
               know who is in the cult but they all know
               you.  It’s  trying  to  protect  yourself  from    It  always  seems  like  the  same  type  of

               repercussions     from     assisting    law        activity.  Think  of  a  tape  player  rewinding
               enforcement.                                       itself  and  playing  over  and  over  again.
                                                                  Something always comes down the stairs at
               Bruce: Do you believe in ghosts?                   the  same  time  or  similar  to  that  when  the

                                                                  elements are right.
               Jason:  I do believe in ghosts? But here’s the
               thing: I  believe over  80%  of  all  claims  of  a   There’s ways to tell whether it’s intelligent
               haunting  can  be  disproved.  That  last  20%     or  residual.  For  instance,  if  you  have  a
               fall into the paranormal. I’m not saying the       house  that  you  just  renovated  and  walled
               last  20%  are  ghosts;  there’s  scientific  proof   up a door, and intelligent haunt will come
               that  a  high  magnetic  field  can  condense      down  and  see  the  difference  and  walk
               enough to move small objects. That doesn’t         through the new doorway. A residual haunt
               mean a ghost moved that object.                    is going to follow the original path that was

                                                                  there.
               There’s a small group of people who believe
               a  person  can  move  an  object  themselves.      A  lot  of  times  people  will  say,  “The  ghost
               When  it  comes  down  to  a  haunting,  I’m  a    walked through the wall.”
               firm  believer.  Look  at  it  this  way:  You
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