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      and so I think it is a great time to be a scientist and   DeSimone: I had a pretty enlightening experience in
      engineer when you’re trying to improve people’s lot   my late 20s. My Ph.D. advisor couldn’t make some
      in life and their health and well-being. It’s fun to be   commitment, and he threw a bone to me to take his
      helpful.                                    place on an innovation committee at a very large
                                                  chemical company. I said sure, and I walked into
      T&I: Motivation has clearly been a part of your story.   this boardroom that was pretty sterile looking. And
      I mean, you were already an assistant professor at   not only were there all white guys around the table,
      the age of 25 and have set a breakneck pace in the   which I barely noticed at first because I’m often in
      years since then, racking up accomplishment after   those environments, but what was especially striking
      accomplishment. Where does that drive come from?   to me was that they all had graduated from the same
      DeSimone: I would say that it’s recognizing the power   two research groups. They all knew the same stuff.
      of a team. I would think ultimately that my product,   I thought, “Man, this is the innovation committee?
      to speak in business vernacular, is the people I’ve   They’re at a structural disadvantage.”
      been associated with. I can look around Carbon—I     I don’t like hanging out with people who are like
      just had the VP of materials pop his head in this   me when I think about brainstorming. I like to hang
      morning, who got his Ph.D. with me and has three or   out with physicians and surgeons and people who
      four former students of mine in his group. We were   own problems. I just feel like I’m a workman. I have
      on the phone with one of our customers that we’re   a toolbox, but other people have problems that are
      going to do something really amazing with in a few   people-facing, and I’m just sort of a handyman that
      months, and they were talking about the significance   can help in solving them. It dawned on me that orga-
      of teams. I think that what I have figured out is that   nizational structure has a profound influence on
      the volume and height of my legacy is directly related   innovation. A lot of people will talk about the role of
      to the quality of people that I’ve had the good fortune   disciplinary diversity and the theme of convergence.
      to touch. I’m really good at staying the hell out of   I’ve chaired studies on convergence, including for the
      their way and just helping them see the potential in   National Academies, and many folks will limit how
      themselves and what they’re doing, and that’s been   they think about convergence to the definition MIT
      a lot of fun. That’s the key.               established a number of years ago, focused at the
                                                  interface of the life sciences, physical sciences, and
      T&I: The team?                              engineering for advances in medicine. Those fields
      DeSimone: Yes, having people who are a hell of a lot   are indeed pretty hard to straddle, but this definition
      smarter than you and who are motivated, and seeing   leaves out the broader social sciences, the humanities,
                                                  and even the performing arts. Joining ideas from the
      the unbounded potential in that team. We are good   broadest range of fields to solve a pressing problem
      at recruiting great people who are motivated to do   is how I think about convergence. Innovation and
      something special.
                                                  problem-solving processes to tackle significant soci-
      T&I: Speaking of recruiting, I was quite taken with   etal challenges benefit greatly from the convergence
      a quote you offered on the importance of diversity   of diverse people and diverse disciplines—this means
      when building an innovation team: “There is no   human diversity in the broadest sense too, not just
      more fertile ground for innovation than a diversity   disciplinary diversity.
      of experience. And that diversity of experience arises     You realize from having been on a lot of differ-
      from a difference of cultures, ethnicities, and life   ent design teams how important diversity is. You
      backgrounds. A successful scientific endeavor is one   recognize that how a young person contributes to
      that attracts a diversity of experience, draws upon the   a design team may be very different depending, for
      breadth and depth of that experience, and cultivates   example, on whether they grew up with a lot of money
      those differences, acknowledging the creativity they   or they didn’t. How someone looks at a problem is
      spark.” What experiences brought you to that reali-  shaped by life experience; if you grow up without
      zation? How do you put that into practice with your   a lot of resources, your problem-solving approach
      research group and your company?            will be shaped by that experience. The richness of
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